Don't Get Me Started

Don't Get Me Started

by Kate Clinton
Don't Get Me Started

Don't Get Me Started

by Kate Clinton

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Overview

Let's get one thing straight. I'm not. I'm out and proud. When I'm out and it's raining I carry an umbrella. I used to be in but I hate the smell of mothballs. My closet was huge, complete with a foyer, turnstile, a few dead bolts, and a burglar alarm that had to be deactivated before I could even touch the door handle. And then there was the storm door. It wasn't until I had lived and slept with a woman for a year that it occurred to me to ask, "Do you think we're lesbians?" By the way, never come out to your father in a moving vehicle.

Now I've written a book. It's not as easy as it looks. One night, I was working late on my computer when a little message came up on the screen, "You are almost out of memory." Here are my thoughts and observations on everything from gay marriage (Mad Vow Disease) to my morbid fear of mascots (with the exception of the San Diego Chicken). That's all I'm going to say because I don't want to spoil it for you. That's a job for Jesse Helms.

Product Details

ISBN-13: 9780345430168
Publisher: Random House Publishing Group
Publication date: 01/04/2000
Edition description: Reprint
Pages: 208
Product dimensions: 5.50(w) x 8.31(h) x 0.44(d)

About the Author

A self-described fumerist (feminist/humorist), Kate Clinton taught English for eight years before a writing workshop and improvisational class convinced her that her political views deserved a public hearing. She quit teaching, took a job as a window washer, and started her professional stand-up career in 1981, using politics, Catholicism, and her lesbianism as basic themes. She performs one-woman shows across the country and writes columns for the Progressive and the Advocate. She has appeared on Arsenio Hall, Good Morning America, Nightline, CNN, C-Span, and many other places. Although she has four comedy albums to her credit, Don't Get Me Started is her first book.

Read an Excerpt

prevariKate: 1.        phr. liar, liar, pants on fire.

The day Richard Nixon took the big dirt nap in 1994 was Earth Day, and a minor earthquake rattled Southern California near his burial site. I've always thought it wasn't so much an earthquake as the earth doing "Ptui" to get rid of him. Nixon was buried in San Clemente, French for "without a pardon," near the Nixon Library.

Presidents Ford, Carter, Bush, and Clinton made the service look like Four Presidents and a Funeral. I don't remember if Ronald Reagan was there, but neither does he. The first lady, Pat Nixon, or "Poor Pat" as she was usually referred to, was not there. She had predeceased her husband by five years. Who can blame her? Tricia Nixon Eisenhower was a reminder that we all had gotten older. Henry Kissinger mumbled through his eulogy, sounding like Marlene Dietrich doing "The Man I Love."

The funeral was another event in the long Nixon rehabilitation—he got us out of Vietnam (he did not), he started talks with China (it was the only country that would talk to us at the time), and the Watergate break-in was ordered by Hillary Clinton. It was an astounding bit of revisionism.

Nixon is dead! Long live Nixon as Newt Gingrich and his band of Republican House majority tricksters. The GOP hired O. J. Simpson, Kato "Pretty Street, No Cars" Kaelin and Lance "I saved Jay Leno's career" Ito to focus attention out west, away from the right side of the country while they dismantled the government in one hundred days or less, by taking out a "Contract on America." My theory is that Nixon ordered it from the grave.

But I get ahead of myself. I began performing stand-up comedy in 1981, the same year that Ronald Reagan began his comedy. The president was known as the master of the one-liner. His gigs were well produced and spun by a professional atmosphere queen, Michael Deaver. Security was a problem, and after the assassination attempt on Reagan, Alexander Haig did not reassure us with "I'm in charge now" from a White House Situation Room/Tanning booth.

After he was shot, Reagan achieved an untouchable quality. Mustn't make fun of him, hush, hush, he was almost assassinated. My theory is that the Republicans did it. I am not so callous as to suggest they shot him, that was Jodie Foster, but I am suggesting when he was in the hospital, Reagan was reconditioned. Same thing happened with the pope the same year.

Nancy Reagan was such a piece of work, she should have been on my comedy payroll. She seemed so lifelike. It was her Valium-laced frozen face that launched the War on Drugs with "Just Say No." The "thank you" was implied. At one photo op press conference, she toured a crack house and decried how awful it was, yet one suspected that for our Drug Czarina it had something to do with a plaid couch.

I never got used to saying "President Ronald Reagan." It was like saying "President Merv Griffin." Reagan wasn't so much a president as the host. He was having such a good time playing president and going on vacation that he decided to run again. The Democrats nominated Walter Mondale as sacrificial lamb and rightly suspected it was going to be a real rout, so they put a woman on the ticket, Geraldine Ferraro. That way they could lose heavily, then say "I told you so," and not try a woman again for another hundred years.

In his second term, Reagan completed the work of his first term—the rich got really rich, everything was deregulated, advocacy programs were quashed, the Savings and Loan program was trashed, the deficit was tripled, unions were busted, Housing and Urban Development was in shambles, banks were closing, the military got lots of new toys, the religious right was stronger, and AIDS was ignored. This proved that the operation to make Reagan a perfect asshole had been a success.

During his second term, the Iran Contra scandal came to light, with the gap-toothed Caucasian soldier of fortune Oliver North running money through the White House so he could get his own talk show. In what later became the Alzheimer's defense, Reagan claimed he thought it was a war for drugs, not on drugs, and that Iraq was the past tense of Iran. He also said he thought it was Pittsburgh, not Bitburg.

Polls showed that people disliked everything Reagan was doing but somehow liked him as a person and thought he should run for a third term. There were rules against that in what was left of the Constitution, so Gramps couldn't run and besides he'd lost interest. The Republican Convention was held in Houston in August, so that Republican women could wear their furs in the air-conditioning and nominate Vice President George Halcyon Bush.

My dad said George Bush seemed like a nice enough guy with lots of experience—senator, ambassador, head of the CIA under Nixon, vice president. I argued he just couldn't hold a job. Head of the CIA was the scariest thing on his ré. When Curious George announced in the most emphatic tone he'd ever used that he didn't eat broccoli, never liked Broccoli, that even Bar couldn't make him eat BROCCOLI, I half suspected every time he said broccoli he was giving someone the signal to invade another Central American country.

When George Bush got the nod from his party he announced his running mate, a true comedy gift, Dan Quayle. Even though Doogie Quayle made Bush look downright presidential, he was not as unnerving as his brittle wife, Marilyn, who always gave the impression that it was really Lily Tomlin in there (still looking for signs of intelligent life in the universe). Dan went on to become a spokesman for Cliff's Notes and was himself a wonderful speaker. During one address to a Rotary Club luncheon at the Cincinnati Golf and Country Club, he quoted Rodney King, from the Los Angeles riots, "As Mr. King once said, 'Why can't we all get a lawn?'"

The Bush/Quayle ticket went up against the Dukakis/Bentsen ticket. Mr. Charisma Bypass, Michael Dukakis, lost me in the presidential debate, when CNN's Bernard Shaw asked the first question, "Mr. Dukakis, if your wife, Kitty, were raped and became pregnant, do you think she should be allowed to have an abortion?" When Dukakis did not jump over the table to punch Shaw out or say something like, "How dare you even put that idea into words, you little weasel," he lost me. Instead, the bloodless wonder, Dukakis ended up talking about drug kingpins; his campaign started warming up that tank.

Once he became president, George Bush revealed a vein of Styrofoam and no matter how deep he tried to go, he always ended up bobbing on the surface. His inaugural speech was like being present at the death of language, the original Dead Poets Society. After the Reagan years, there were only three people of color in the Republican Party. Their slogan was "Republicans—the Other White Meat." George Bush tried to dispel the "whites only" image of his party, often referring to his Mexican-American grandkids as "the little brown ones over there," and nominated Clarence Uncle Thomas to the Supreme Court.

All went smoothly during the nomination process of Clarence Thomas until Anita Hill came forward with her sexual harassment charges and was put on trial by the so-called Ethics Committee. Arlen Sphincter, of Pennsylvania, read his favorite passages from The Exorcist. Utah's Orrin Hatch looked as if he'd sat in something. And Joe "Hair Plugs for Men" Biden kept the proceedings going and going so long, I half expected to see one of those pink Energizer bunnies banging the drum slowly down the table.

Bush's approval ratings slipped. The election was drawing near. What to do, what to do? He started flexing his Commander in Chief muscle and invaded anything. Panama; Operation Just 'Cause George Felt Like It. Somalia; he should have sent in salad shooters. Saddam Hussein questioned George's manhood; Poppy went up to Maine, blasted around in his high-speed cigarette boat, thought things over, and finally invaded. It was all televised and managed by Norm Norm Big as a Dorm Schwartzkopf who went on to be a spokesman for the Quality Value home shopping channel.

The Operation was televised by CNN, though it should have been a Sunday afternoon sport show "Shooting Fish in a Barrel." The only good thing about the Operation was that Bernard Shaw was trapped under fire for three days in a hotel in Baghdad. Bush's ratings were boosted for a few minutes, even though he didn't really get the job done because the dictator Hussein is still alive in a bunker somewhere. His ratings hit an all-time low when he puked and landed facedown in the Japanese Prime Minister's lap, talking about jobs, jobs, jobs.

Presidential candidates should be drug-tested. Take it from me, you cannot fly to forty cities in two days and not take drugs. I know they didn't fly through Newark. By the end of the 1992 campaign, George was hanging off the backs of trains, talking about bozos, wacked out on Ritalin. He was defeated by Arkansas Governor Bill Clinton who was speeding nonstop on white sugar and junk food.

After Gramps and Poppy, President Bill Clinton (no relation) was like having your brother as president. He could talk, and after twelve years of pretty wild syntactic rides, it was nice not to wince every time the president opened his mouth.

The first strains of "Inhale to the Chief" had not even died down, though, and I was disappointed in Clinton. This is a lot like saying, "I'm so disappointed in the patriarchy." He backed up on gays in the military, health care reform, Lani Guinier, welfare reform. Whenever he talked, I swore I could hear that backing-up sound trucks make.

When President Clinton announced in a State of the Union address that "the era of big government is over," it sounded like vintage Reagan with a touch of Elvis. When he signed a bill eliminating welfare, just before his second presidential campaign, he made Nixon look like a liberal.

When Bill Clinton ran for a second term, he ran against Bob Dole. After 114 years of trying, Dole finally received his party's nomination because Liddy Dole at the Republican Convention nailed her landings in a fabulous floor routine to the music of "Oh My Man I Love Him So" and created an image of a Kinder, Gentler Bob. All for naught. So few people voted in the elections that the ones who did were called activists. Nobody wanted another old guy president who couldn't talk.

The American people got an unexpected windfall in President Clinton's second term. A twofer. Two presidents for the price of one! One, the numbingly detail-oriented talking policy work and two, a total Babe Magnet. No wonder he lost weight! Despite allegations about his sexual performance, Americans liked his job performance. The more accusations of sexual misconduct, the higher the approval rating. One wondered how many women it would take to get him to 100 percent.

When President Clinton announced that big government was over, the subtext was that the era of big global business was cranking up. The middle person was eliminated. Despite antitrust laws, mergers continued: CBS and GE, ABC and Disney, NBC and Microsoft, RJR Tobacco and Nabisco, Bill Gates and Martha Stewart until everything was owned by seven white guys, not including Martha Stewart. Smaller players were allowed to buy items the federal government was selling off in an end-of-the-millennium tag sale. I bought a lovely minimum security prison. A friend bought Arizona.



auntieKate: 1.        v. to rile up small children before their bedtime and then leave.

Family used to be a nice little noun, e.g., "Look, honey, it's the nuclear family, and why, they're burned to a crisp," but in the mid-1970s it became an indiscriminately used adjective. The "family restaurant," the "family foodstore," the "family movie," the "family fun place to be." The word "family" described values and hamburgers with an uncanny leveling effect.

After fifteen years of incessant talk about the family this, the family that, lesbians and gay men wanted to have families of their own. The lesbian and gay baby boom bloomed. The constant drumbeat to return to family values fused with the disco beat of the gay anthem, "We Are Fam-a-lee."

I have no kids that I am aware of; I love kids so much I knew not to have them. For me, children, like cats, suck all the oxygen out of a room. I glaze over and wave after wave of teary-eyed, wide-mouthed yawns begin.

After a near baby-sitting tragedy involving Lincoln Logs and a butane lighter, I knew that it would not be healthy for me to have kids. Certainly not for the kids. Something hideous was bound to happen to my child—she'd fall down in the well, he'd swallow a hammer, drown in the pool—and then I would be devastated for the rest of my life and get shrill and brittle like Mary Tyler Moore in Ordinary People.

The gay baby boom came along just in time. I had plumb run out of little nieces and nephews and quite frankly I needed the material. Over the years, my sister, Mary, has been so generous with her kids' comments, I put her on my payroll.

Mary is a great mom; I'm so proud of her. Driving along with her son, five, and daughter, two, strapped in their car seats, they were rocking out with Raffi singing about being happy and gay, when Paul yelled, "Mom, what's gay?" Mary, bopping along, yelled over her shoulder, "Really, really happy." She drove on but had one of her patented "ooojeeze realizations" that maybe he meant more.

At home, he asked again, "What does gay really mean?" Mary took a deep breath. She says motherhood involves lots of deep breathing. She stalled him with a question, "Where did you hear it used?" perhaps hoping the conversation would veer off in a whole word versus phonics discussion. "On the bus. And it wasn't good." They live outside Washington, D.C., and the kids on the bus often use "politician" to insult each other.

She breathed in deeply again. "Well, Paul, when a man and woman get together (Clintonics for "have sex"), it's one thing. But when a man and a man or a woman and a woman get together, that's gay." "Oh, you mean like Urvashi?" he said, naming my girlfriend, not me, already caught in the family conspiracy not to make sexual references to anyone living or dead in his family.

Grace had her own definition of gay. One day while Grace was playing in the basement with a friend, Mary heard her exult, "Let's pretend we're gay!" Mary, at the top of the stairs, neck craned, ear cocked for strains of Johnny Mathis's, "Chances Are," heard Grace's friend ask, "What's gay?" No hesitation, "It's when two girls get together, dance, and have fun."

This graceful logic cannot be dismissed with a
Linkletterish kids say the darnedest things. Grace can shift a dominant paradigm. After watching the 1993 March on Washington, she turned to my sister and said, "Now tell me again, Mom, why do ungay people not like Aunt Kate?"

My gaydar has always been on readiness to detect any signs in my nieces and nephews. Paul has moved the needle to full purple alert a few times. When Mary brought Grace home from the hospital, Paul was fine with her, but after a few months, when it didn't look like she was going to be leaving anytime soon, he gave her a pop to the head. Mary saw him do it and reprimanded him. She told him he was supposed to protect his sister, not hit her, then asked why he had hit her. He said, "I didn't like her outfit."

When he was three he looked me right in the eye and said, "I still want to grow up to be a girl you know. I like red, but I really like to wear gold." I cut up an old gold lamé coat for his birthday. Another clue came when he announced he wanted to grow up and know everything. He told Mary he wanted to grow up and buy a town house. He didn't say apartment, or mention track lighting, but he did stress town house.

In one after-dinner conversation about children and families, he announced he wanted to grow up to be gay. Mary, who'd had her kids the old-fashioned way, remarked, after a deep breath, "Paul that is certainly an option, but if you do that, you won't be able to have any children." Without missing a beat he said, "Oh, yes I will. I'll adopt. Or I'll take Grace's leftovers." Then he looked at me, but asked his mom, "Can two girls have a baby?" Another breath. "Paul, we have gone over this again and again. A man and a woman can have a baby, not two women." He said, "But they can try, right?"

Lots of gay people are trying and we really don't have the language for it, yet. Not for lack of talking. Everyone's talking about having kids. Over dinner, friends debate fresh sperm versus frozen sperm. And that's just the appetizer.

One friend declined a dinner invitation with "I can't. I have to go upstate to inseminate." Whatever happened to barbecuing?

At one barbecue, I was grilling away, talking to a friend's seven-year-old son, and asked him, "You want a hot dog?" He looked horrified at me and said, "I can't! I'm a lesbian."

Another friend, whose child care fell through at the last minute, had to bring her daughter to a graduate school class she was taking. The baby started to gurgle and coo and try her first word "d ... d ... d ..." and a woman sitting next to her smiled benignly, leaned in and said, "I think she's trying to say Donor."

Gay couples and single parents are trying all manner and methods of child getting—from the old-fashioned way to the simple turkey baster technique, to the more complex procedures, to hiring surrogates, to adoption. Like many straight people, there are gay people who should not have children. One seventy-two-year-old friend confided that she was thinking of becoming a single mother. When she wasn't looking, I stuck a cabbage patch on her arm. The stroller contingents in gay pride parades are larger than the S/M contingent.

Instead of baby showers, we throw going-away parties. Bye! See you in ten years! We had a baby shower for a friend who adopted the sweetest baby boy. I got them a Michelin tire.

The gay baby boom shows some lessening of gay and lesbian self-loathing, or to paraphrase that old Paul Anka song, "I'm having my baby, what a wonderful way of saying how much I love me." But when I ask my friends if they are going to raise their children to be gay, even the most militant of mommas and poppas goes all squishy and dreamy, "She'll be whatever she'll be." Since we are living in one big heterosexual mall, kids need a little extra help to be gay. Oshkosh, tool belts, and trains for the girls. Lamé starter Fiesta ware and Spice Girl accessories for the boys. That's where aunts come in.

What People are Saying About This

Armistead Maupin

"For my money, Kate Clinton will always be the Founding Mother of queer comedy."

Ellen DeGeneres

"She's funny, she's smart, she's gay. Read her book."

Interviews

On Tuesday, June 2nd, barnesandnoble.com welcomed Kate Clinton, author of DON'T GET ME STARTED.


Moderator: Thank you for joining us tonight, Ms. Clinton. Any opening comments?

Kate Clinton:

Lucy from New York: When you do stand-up, do you find that straight audiences can enjoy your humor as much as gay audiences?

Kate Clinton: I think that the world has changed enough because of 25 years of organizing by gay activists, and the mainstream has widened a bit, and I think that yes, straight people are able to appreciate my humor. And if they have $20, fine!



Kim from aol.com: I know that Catholicism provides a great deal of material for you. Do you feel that organized religion will ever fully embrace gays and lesbians? Do you see any progress at all?

Kate Clinton: There has been progress, but I think that for every bit of progress we've had, there have been retracing steps. I think that the big flap now over gay priests, gay marriage, is difficult, but I do think it's a necessary conversation. And I think there is still the stained-glass ceiling.



Janet from LA: Have you ever drawn a blank onstage and not remembered your routine? Thanks for taking my question -- I love your work!

Kate Clinton: Yes, I have. Drawn a blank -- black, black, deep hole. That's when I start to ask the audience what I was talking about. It's an old teacher trick, and I've done it enough times now so that there's always someone who's keeping track. But it's usually from fatigue, or if I'm doing three shows in one night. I can't remember if I actually gave the setup as I'm about to do the punch line, which makes for a kind of bizarre joke "Jeopardy." The audience is left going, "Was it..." I love your work too!



Tony from Alabama: In stand-up comedy, how do you deal with an unresponsive audience? How do you not let it get you down? Thanks, from an aspiring stand-up comic.

Kate Clinton: I can deal with it because I taught high school English, and if you want an unresponsive audience, try first period, middle of June when everyone's been accepted at college. I often laugh at myself, and someone just gives the audience a model of what laughing would look like, and takes the responsibility off of them. And sometimes you have to find the queen bee, and if you can get that person to laugh, the rest will follow. But keep doing it. Keep performing. We need all the comics we can get.



Tommy from San Francisco: Who would you consider your major influences and role models?

Kate Clinton: Adrienne Rich, Mary Daley, Audre Lord. Although they are feminist thinkers, I often feel I am distilling their work into accessible one-liners. That's Mary Daley, not Mayor Daley. But for performers I've always loved Carol Burnett, because that was my first example of a woman that could make people laugh. Lily Tomlin, her characters, although I don't do character work, is an example of a woman who can make people laugh. Early Richard Pryor, Robin Williams, Jonathan Winters. And then comedy albums that affected me early on are Mike Nichols and Elaine May, early Bill Cosby when he would do sound effects -- so funny -- and Moms Mabley.



Lisa from Philadelphia: What did you think of "Ellen" and ABC's decision to cancel it? Do you think mainstream media is getting more supportive of gay- and lesbian-themed entertainment?

Kate Clinton: I was saddened that the show was canceled, but more saddened by jaded homosexuals who thought the show was too gay and seemed to believe the show should be gay every other week, like we are. I think that we will probably go into a bit of a tailspin in reaction to the show, but I think the fact that Ellen came out and talked about it is a really wonderful, positive step. There might be some fallout, and people might be skittish about producing a show with a main gay character (ha!), but I think it's part of the national conversation, and that's great.



Tim P. from Trenton, NJ: Do you have any plans on trying film or a television series?

Kate Clinton: I was doing a book signing in Minneapolis and two women were talking a bookshelf away from me, and one says to the other, "I hope Kate doesn't get a sitcom -- she won't be funny anymore." I would take the money, and give some to you, Tim in Trenton.



Sabrina from Florida: Why did you pick the title DON'T GET ME STARTED?

Kate Clinton: Fluke. I had submitted about 50 book titles, and I went out with my editor and my publicist at Ballantine, and we went through the list, and they said "no, no, no," and it was getting hopeless. They asked me a question, and I said, "Don't get me started," and we looked at each other and said, "That's it!" I always feel everyone thinks the subtext is "too late." "Don't get me started -- too late!"



Greg from Maine: Did you find it hard to convey your humor on the written page, without the benefit of facial expressions, comedic timing, etc.?

Kate Clinton: At first I did, and I overwrote transitions that I would usually do bodily, but then in editing -- with the help of my editor -- I was able to put more trust in the reader and trust that I got those transitions and bodily signals across through the writing. I find it harder online to indicate sarcasm -- I think we should use italics -- and if you used it for a real long time, people would have to tilt their heads to the right, and the reader would know they should read it as disbelief. But I'm working on doing body language online. Sorry about that domestic partnership thing. Love you. Maine it.



Barbara Holland from Brooklyn: Will you continue doing stand-up? Or will you focus more on other projects now?

Kate Clinton: I don't think I've ever been better performing, so why stop now? Whenever I think it's unseemly for a woman of a certain age to continue performing stand-up comedy, I think two words Jackie Mason. I do want to continue performing, because it's so much fun -- it's like live jazz. And I'm also working on other projects columns for The Advocate, the Progressive Magazine, and I just did a column about what if women took Viagra for George magazine. So I'm interested in pursuing that type of writing and high-price punditry. My goal in life. Need a comment, I'll be there.



Lisa from Indiana: After doing stand-up comedy for so long, did you miss the immediate feedback of an in vivo audience as you wrote the book?

Kate Clinton: I had a phantom audience that I carried with me after 15 years of performing, and I could still hear them.



Sandra from Richmond, VA: What do you think about the "don't ask, don't tell" policy of the U.S. military toward gays? Also, what do you think of women participating in combat?

Kate Clinton: I think the "don't ask, don't tell" policy is an institutionalized validation of homophobia, and I think that if women have to be in the service, they should only be lesbians -- who process. We would never get around to having a war. "A war? Not with these cramps!" "A war in October? I am so sure. What about the softball banquet?" "A war? You get those beaches wheelchair accessible and we'll talk."



Elise from Princeton, NJ: What did you think when Bill Clinton won -- sharing your same last name!

Kate Clinton: Publicity bonanza! I was happy my name wasn't Bush! And yet, for comedic possibilities, Clinton has fulfilled them. I wanted to run with Lesley Gore -- then it would be the Clinton/Gore ticket -- and sing, "It's my party, and I'll cry if I want to."



Hollyann from Phoenixville, PA: Kate, Do you think it is helpful for gay and lesbian actors and actresses to come out, or do you think it hinders them and others in the business?

Kate Clinton: I think actors are supposed to act, and the whole notion of "is a gay person playing a straight person" or "is a straight person playing a gay person" does a disservice to the whole notion of acting. And actors don't do their own words anyway. (Meow! -- indicating a cat sound.) But, if Helen Mirren wanted to play me, and I mean that in the nicest way, I'd be happy.



Mark from Brooklyn: I have to ask it -- what was your response to the Clinton/Lewinsky situation?

Kate Clinton: When I first heard about it, I thought, Oh, my goodness, the President is doing it with that little skater. But it was an understandable error, because it was a very big "ski" week Lipinski, Lewinsky, Kaczynski. Please forgive me. And, I hope they were having sex in the White House, because the thought of them actually working together on problems of national security is far more frightening.



Lyons from Williamsburg, VA: What was your reaction to "Seinfeld" signing off? Do you think he will still be successful on the stage for a long time?

Kate Clinton: I was worried that so many people watched "Seinfeld" that India was able to set off a nuclear blast. And I think that he will have a long performance career, but I suspect what he's really interested in is directing -- commercials. I think that's what he'll do. He'll go into advertising. 'Cause he needs the money. I think we should ask him for money for gayish causes. We'll call it the That's Okay Fund. Too many "that's okays" indicated it wasn't.



Tina F. from Florida: Do you feel you have strong political opinions? Would you consider writing a non-humor book?

Kate Clinton: If I wrote a political book, it would be a humor book. And I think that humor can bear the weight of both the serious and the funny, and that when people laugh, they have a window of vulnerability that allows things they might not ordinarily think to come into them. I think that's why, for me, humor and politics have to go together.



Samantha from Vancouver, B.C., Canada: Hello. My question refers not to your book but to how you went about getting your book published. I am really interested in publishing, so I am taking in all of my options. I am currently a high school student at King George Secondary. Although I am not yet out of high school, I want to publish a novel which I'm writing. How did you?

Kate Clinton: I had wonderful luck. I emceed a dinner that was at the American Booksellers Convention, and I wrote a lot of specific jokes about books that I couldn't do anywhere else. And a bookseller from Ballantine was at the dinner and went back to Ballantine and said, "Get her to write a book." So the salespeople got the editorial people to write a book. It's usually the other way around. Stay in touch.



Lisa from Miami: How did you come out, and when? What was your parents' reaction? I hope this isn't too personal of a question. Thanks! You give all us lesbians strength.

Kate Clinton: I came out to my brothers and sister first, and I never came out to my mother, because when I was confident enough in my lesbianism, my mother had Parkinson's disease and couldn't talk, and I know that, being that she was a pro-Nixon Republican, devout Catholic with a temper, I know we would have some good fights about it. But she was too weak. It might be a rationalization. But after she died I came out to my father. My mother had portrayed him as an authoritarian with the usual "Don't tell Dad, it will kill him." But he was actually quite the libertarian, and he only worried about my safety and happiness. But here's a tip Never come out to your father in a moving vehicle. That's all I'm going to say. But coming out didn't actually kill my father -- it has deepened our relationship and has enlivened my relationships with my brothers and sister. We've gone through phases at first -- you come out, they shun you. Enjoy those times, because pretty soon they'll want to come and visit. But it's very much like our national conversation We had our 1993 march on Washington, which was the big coming-out party, and now we're in the individual dialogues. You know, the individual dialogue of talking to Daddy Disney, Grandma Government, those kinds of conversations we're having now. Mother Church. But they mirror the kind of process of coming out we have individually in our lives. And I frankly get tired of people interested in celebrity coming out. When is Jodie Foster going to come out? I don't care. I'm more interested in Lisa being out in Miami, and those small acts of courage are what will actually make the difference.



Frank from New York: What's next for you after this book?

Kate Clinton: A villa in Italy, and a cook, a small boat, and a large straw hat. Drinks, adult beverages with umbrellas -- wait, I'm sorry, that was a Merchant Ivory film. Actually, I will be performing, touring, writing some more, and this summer I'll be performing in Provincetown. I'll be doing the Just for Laughs comedy festival in Montreal, and I'm really going to be on tour with the book until the middle of July.



Sandy from Berkeley: People get jaded on the "circuit." What do you do to prevent that, besides living in P-town?

Kate Clinton: Who gets jaded living on the circuit? What makes me jaded is circling Atlanta about eight or nine times in rough skies. I think if anything, it might not be jaded as much as exhaustion. I live in Provincetown and I also live in New York, and I live with a fiery Indian activist who keeps me on my toes.



Marcia Penn from Washington: Do you think the differences usually attributed to gay men and lesbians -- gay men sleep around, lesbians are interested in relationships -- are based in truth or are just stereotypes?

Kate Clinton: I think it's bad PR. I'm interested in the differences between gay men's humor and lesbian humor. And I think the years I've been performing, there's been an interesting crossover. I think gay men had been very much of a show, very much of a nontraditional female performing, and lesbians had been very traditional, very stand-up, classic performance. I think we've learned from each other, and I think there are more stand-up comics that are gay men, and more lesbians who are putting on a show. I think sexually, I'm a big believer in anatomy as destiny. I think men are more out there -- external -- than women. Women would love to do it in the bushes, but we can't ever find anything.



Moderator: Thank you for chatting with us tonight, Ms. Clinton. Any closing comments?

Kate Clinton: Happy Gay Pride Month, or the month formally known as June. Celebrate. And be bad!


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